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Hello! Sorry,but ''at first glance'' these coins look as fakes to me! They are too lustrous to be genuine...
What are their weight,diametres?
Can you determine if they stick or not to a magnet?!
Andi
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Andi Pasculescu
First one's measurements are:
26.84 grams
39.74mm diameter
2.44mm thickness
Next one's:
27.05 grams
39.7mm diameter
2.7mm thickness
And last one's:
26.72 grams
39mm diameter
2.2mm thickness
I don't know much about this type of coinage so my judgment may have been quite off haha, though no, i can't do the magnet test on them sadly. The seller says it's silver...
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Hi again! Dear Lawrence,never mind what the seller says!!!
He wants to sell... The coins are 100% copies/fakes. For sure,not even silver made,perhaps only silver plated. I repeat that their frosty/uncirculated appearance is clear for fakes. Not even the catalogue photos do not show such ''mint state'' specimens! But more important are the differences in design compared to genuine coins:
Please,see for yourself how many these are: different design of dragon,the name ''Kiang Nan'' is largely spaced from the next word ''Province'',etc.
I send you screenshot of the KM catalogue.
Andi
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At least the Kiang Nan dollar (that I took as example) seems more to be a FANTASY strike than a well done copy, so many are the differences between this fake coin and the genuine one! Please,look also at the rim's design...
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Andi Pasculescu Hahaha, i see, it's true that they do not entirely match and their state is suspicious. Also thanks for the catalog image, i was trying to find all the designs haha.
One last thing, would then this one be a genuine one?
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This one,with another appearence and not so high catalogue values MAY BE GENUINE. But,again,without exact weight & magnet test it is risky to say for sure if yes or no...
Please,judge for yourself on catalogue page,CHIHLI PROVINCE.
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Andi Pasculescu Hmm... The seller says it weighs 25.30 grams, probably not genuine as well. May be better to just buy PCGS genuine coins to be 100% sure
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Ah,of course,with such a weight of 25.3g. the counterfeit is proved! No doubts!
I told you that only the appearance,without additional info + tests is very tricky! This coin LOOKED to me much more real than the other 3 and...
There are so,so many fakes with the silver China coins,empire & republic! Most of them are scarce or rare,with high or very high market/catalogue values and sought after by coin collectors...
Suddently,a lot of high grade,beautiful coins of choise (all sought after) types appear for sell on the market!... VERY STRANGE,NO?!?
Friendly yours,
Andi
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Andi Pasculescu Yes... At least i now know that the weight is the key to proving if it's real, and yes, Chinese coins are quite tricky to buy haha. Anyways, thanks for your help!
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Dear Lawrence,I come back to you with new info,because I don't want to mislead you. This don't change my personal opinion that the coins are copies and that it is safer to leave them where they are(at the seller
). I found in the catalogue an earlier type of the Kiang Nan ''dragon dollar'' which matches,AS DESIGN,your topic coin. But its genuine weight is exactly 27g. and not 26.72g.,as you say it has! This other weight than the real one confirmes the fake. The coin is not used in circulation.
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Andi Pasculescu Ahh, i see, thanks for pointing that out!
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I'm with Andi. All these coins fall into the "too good to be true" category. I hope someday China grows up as a nation. They have a large, heavily funded, government sponsored counterfeiting industry. And, because the industry is well funded, they are really good at making really good counterfeits.
Andi points out the un-natural look of the surfaces. That's correct. This is an excellent indicator of "fake" status. Check the natural look of the Kiang Nan dollar in my picture. It is genuine and it sold for $17000 US dollars during a 2022 auction. The patterns are almost identical, but the overall surface qualities are different.
For the Kwang Tung tael, you may have a modern, high-quality counterfeit which may actually carry some decent value. For an explanation, with pictures, see this page:
https://coinquest.com/cgi-bin/cq/coins.pl?coin=19524
(PS: Thanks, Andi, for your contributions to this page. Well done!)
