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1625 Charles I Brass Half-crown weight with CR over sd variation very rare

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  • Hi Peter --

    The database I use has 548 Charles I crowns and half crowns from 1625, but I cannot find with the amazing, pronounce C R initials as your coin.

    I will be happy to look further, but I need the detailed inscriptions (or at least partial inscriptions) from your coin, and I cannot read them from your pictures. Your pictures remain small and I can't enlarge them on my computer.

    Please type out your best guess of the individual inscriptions.

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    • Paul Richards 
      Charles I, Halfcrown, King on horseback l. HONI SOIT, etc / Large
      CR above 2s 6d (c. 1625) Very Rare

      This is what I was told a while back. A collector online found it in a 1980's book. I have checked books and have not found it anywhere.

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  • Here's the issue. There are 1000s of half crowns of Charles I in the auction database I use to estimate approximate value. They all have honi soit etc. Many have CR and horseback king. I can't look through 1000s of pictures. I need inscriptions to separate out candidate coins.

    Your pictures are small. I cannot read them accurately.

    What are the two inscriptions above the CR? Are they XIII??? OVT:GIAS??? Is there ES or something between the CR??? Is there a date???

    With that kind of info I can narrow the search to a few hundred coins. Once I find a match or two, the auction prices realized gives approximate value.

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    • Paul Richards What are the two inscriptions above the CR? Are they XIII??? OVT:GIAS??? Is there ES or something between the CR??? Is there a date???

      Above CR XIIII  or XIXII AND OVT: GRAV OR OVT: GRAY

      BETWEEN C & R ES?  Yes and STAR AFTER C AND AFTER S

      STAR BETWEEN S2 & 6D

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  • This is a Half-Crown weight....for a coin.

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  • Ah. That did the trick, Peter.

    As you say, it turns out it is a half crown weight, not an actual half crown. It carries the weight of a silver half crown.

    Of the millions of coins in the CoinArchivesPro database, only one -- just one -- matches your piece. The one that match is from an old auction. The 3-weight set pictured below sold for $173 US dollars back in 2005. Yep, dollars were worth more back then. I'd wager your piece has risen in value to the $200 to $250 range, but that is just a guess.

    Here is the auction description from Spink. The description is for the three weights shown.

    Spink > Auction 5033    Auction date: 1 December 2005
    Lot number: 817

    Price realized: 100 GBP   (Approx. 173 USD / 148 EUR / 229 CHF)


    Halfcrown coin weights (3), James I, weight for gold Halfcrown, crowned bust to right, I.R. .M.BRIT below, rev. crown, II.SIX D. below (Withers 854), very fine; Charles I, weight for silver Halfcrown, king on horseback to left holding sword, rev. crown over .CR. over XXX (Withers 1042), poor but clear; Charles I, weight for silver Halfcrown, armoured figure on horseback to left brandishing sword, Garter around with HONI SOIT QVI MAL Y PENSE, rev. large C*R* with WITH OVT GRAYN ES above and 2s * 6d below (Withers 1070), good very fine (3)

    Estimate £ 100-150

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    • Paul Richards  Thank you so much. Still can't believe it was In an uncleaned ancient coin lot. 

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